18/8 Eighteen Eight Fine Men’s Salons Franchise Warning

18/8 Eighteen Eight Fine Men’s Salons overstates the success of its franchises and understates its franchise failures, according to a franchise owner who provided this anonymous complaint.  We invite others to validate or dispute this claim – and share their opinions of the Eighteen Eight Fine Men’s Salon franchise, the Griff’s Shave Bar franchise, and franchisor Ultimate Franchises Inc.

(UnhappyFranchisee.ComEighteen Eight Fine Men’s Salons – How Many Open / Closed / Rebranded? is an anonymously submitted guest post penned by a current or former 18/8 franchise owner.

Scott Griffiths 18/8 SalonsWe have not verified the claims made herein, and invite readers and the company to validate or dispute this and other complaints regarding the 18/8 Fine Men’s Salon franchise or the sister concept Griff’s Shave Bar.

The writer believes all information and numbers to be accurate, but invites readers to verify independently and draw their own conclusions.

Here’s the Guest Post:

Eighteen Eight Fine Men’s Salons – How Many Open / Closed / Rebranded?

Submitted by An 18/8 Franchise Owner.

In a recent Forbes interview (dated 6/13/18), franchise CEO (Chief Exaggerating Officer), Scott Griffiths severely overstates franchise success, open location count, and units in development of the 18/8 Fine Men’s Salon franchise chain.

Scott Griffiths is also the principal of Ultimate Franchises Inc. and the sub-brand Griff’s Shave Bar.

The premise of the article is how the financial crisis helped 18|8 Fine Men’s Salons grow faster through franchising than it would have organically.

While franchising has helped the 18|8 brand grow in store count in recent years, the rapid closing of locations throughout the country has led to many franchisees losing their life savings.

Griffiths states in the article, “Since franchising, 18|8 Fine Men’s Salons has grown to nearly 100 locations, with more than 150 in development.”

Eighteen Eight’s own website only lists 61 operating locations. Where are the other 39?

In a recent internal call with franchisees, Griffiths claims 75 open locations.

Did he mean “nearly” 75?

Where is the truth?

24 18/8 Fine Men’s Salons Have Closed

Eighteen Eight FranchiseBy our count, 24 stores have closed, including Irvine Westpark, which was once the highest grossing location in the country.

1. Irvine, CA (https://www.yelp.com/biz/18-8-fine-mens-salon-irvine-2)

2. Westlake Village, CA (https://www.yelp.com/biz/eighteen-eight-fine-mens-salon-westlake-village)

3. San Rafael, CA (https://www.yelp.com/biz/18-8-fine-mens-salon-san-rafael)

4. Walnut Creek, CA (https://www.yelp.com/biz/18-8-fine-mens-salons-walnut-creek-walnut-creek-2)

5. Culver City, CA (https://www.yelp.com/biz/18-8-fine-mens-salons-culver-city-culver-city-5)

6. La Jolla, CA (https://www.yelp.com/biz/18-8-fine-mens-salons-la-jolla-la-jolla-2)

7. Little Italy (San Diego), CA (https://www.yelp.com/biz/18-8-fine-mens-salons-broadstone-little-italy-san-diego)

8. Washington, DC (https://www.yelp.com/biz/18-8-fine-mens-salons-washington)

9. Coral Gables, FL (https://www.yelp.com/biz/18-8-fine-mens-salon-coral-gables)

10. Bethesda, MD (https://www.yelp.com/biz/18-8-fine-mens-salons-bethesda-bethesda)

11. Maple Lawn, MD (https://www.yelp.com/biz/18-8-fine-mens-salons-maple-lawn-fulton-2)

12. North Baltimore, MD (https://www.yelp.com/biz/18-8-fine-mens-salons-greenspring-baltimore-2)

13. St. Louis Park, MN (https://www.yelp.com/biz/18-8-fine-mens-salons-st-louis-park-st-louis-park-2)

14. Bedminster, NJ (https://www.yelp.com/biz/18-8-fine-mens-salons-bedminster)

15. Westwood, NJ (https://www.yelp.com/biz/18-8-fine-mens-salons-westwood)

16. Florham Park, NJ (https://www.yelp.com/biz/18-8-fine-mens-salons-florham-park-florham-park)

17. Edgewater, NJ (https://www.yelp.com/biz/18-8-fine-mens-salons-city-place-edgewater-edgewater)

18. Livingston, NJ (https://www.yelp.com/biz/18-8-fine-mens-salons-livingston-livingston)

19. Woodbury, NJ (https://www.yelp.com/biz/18-8-fine-mens-salons-woodbury-woodbury)

20. Beachwood, OH (https://www.yelp.com/biz/18-8-fine-mens-salons-beachwood-beachwood-2)

21. Avon Commons, OH (https://www.yelp.com/biz/18-8-fine-mens-salons-avon-commons-avon)

22. Lake Oswego, OR (https://www.yelp.com/biz/18-8-fine-mens-salons-lake-oswego-lake-oswego-4)

23. McKinney, TX (https://www.yelp.com/biz/18-8-fine-mens-salons-mckinney-mckinney)

24. Fort Worth, TX (https://www.yelp.com/biz/18-8-fine-mens-salons-fort-worth-fort-worth)

19 Eighteen Eight Salon Locations Have Rebranded

Griff's Shave BarIt appears that 19 Eighteen Eight Fine Men’s Salon locations have rebranded:

1. Ocotillo, AZ

2. Waterfront, AZ

3. Newport Beach, CA

4. West Hollywood, CA

5. Dublin, CA

6. Brea, CA

7. Huntington Beach, CA

8. Campbell, CA

9. Roseville, CA

10. Mountain View, CA

11. Laguna Niguel, CA

12. Closter, NJ

13. Jersey City, NJ

14. Mamaroneck, NJ

15. Cool Springs, TN

16. Plano, TX

17. Flower Mound, TX

18. Richardson, TX

19. Bothell, WA

6 Other 18/8 Franchise Locations Have Been Taken Over by Corporate

6 other former franchise locations have had operations taken over by 18|8 corporate;

1. Anaheim Hills, CA

2. Lake Forest, CA

3. Centennial, CO

4. Annapolis, MD

5. Princeton, NJ

6. Powell, OH

The franchise page of the eighteeneight.com franchise website states:  “Total Investment Range is $291,851 – $513,639 for a single 18|8 Fine Men’s Salon.”

Considering all store closures, rebrands, and corporate takeovers, this equates to $14.3-$25.1 million in lost investor value. This total does not include resales that have netted the original owner negative value.

Scott Griffiths claims 150 units in development.   In the first 6 months of 2018 alone, over 2 dozen locations have either closed or rebranded, while only 2 new locations have opened.   In an amazing twist of irony; the recent Forbes article is titled “Growth Stories: How the Financial Crisis Caused This Business To Grow Ten Times Faster.”

Share your personal Growth Story with 18|8 Fine Men’s Salons in the comments.

[End of Guest Submitted Content]

See how many locations Ultimate Franchises, Inc. claims to have as of July, 2017.  See Item 20 for location and sales information, and the exhibits for a list of current and former franchise owners:

18/8 Fine Men’s Salons Franchise Disclosure Document 7/17

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25 thoughts on “18/8 Eighteen Eight Fine Men’s Salons Franchise Warning

  • June 22, 2018 at 9:21 pm
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    Are these the same people or competitors of the Hair Saloon out of St. Louis.

  • June 22, 2018 at 9:31 pm
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    Different people. Seems like Hair Saloon is more legitimate.

  • June 22, 2018 at 11:56 pm
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    What I find most striking is that the closed locations are almost universally well reviewed on Yelp, so it seems the individual operators are competent business owners. Why would such a high percentage of salons close in such a short amount of time. Over 50 percent failure rate within 4 years is incredibly high for this type of business.

  • June 23, 2018 at 1:07 pm
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    GRIFT def. 1. (noun) an act of obtaining money from someone by fraud 2. (verb, transitive) to swindle someone out of money

    May I suggest that “Grift’s Shave Bar” would be a better name, perhaps with the slogan “Get Fleeced in Style”?

    So while 18/8 and its franchise owners are left struggling for survival with little support from the franchisor, CEO Scott Griffiths has spun up a new competing brand in which to invest his energy, resources and publicity efforts.

    Griff’s Shave Bar can best be described as ‘vaporware’, with no operating locations and no basis for predictable unit economics.

    – Here is an article from November 2017 that claims that there is an corporate owned location in Irvine – https://www.ocregister.com/2017/11/01/duo-behind-188-mens-salon-launches-griffs-ace-barbers-shave-bar/ . There is no operating barbershop at the address in the article. The address provided is actually for the 18/8 corporate office/training center.

    – Here is a more recent article announcing ‘plans’ to open 10 locations in Atlanta in the next 3 years, but really appears to just be fishing for investors – https://whatnowatlanta.com/griffs-shave-bar-10-atlanta-barbershops/

    – Here is another article announcing that a poor naive fellow has finally agreed to open the first Griff’s in the Dallas area, which also happens to have the highest concentration of current and former 18/8 locations – https://apacnewswire.com/2018/04/03/griffs-ace-grooming-and-shave-bar-to-open-flagship-location-in-dallas-fort-worth/

    Why is W. Scott Grifter launching another brand instead of addressing and fixing the problems with 18/8 and helping those who believed in the dream and invested in it? Is he abandoning 18/8 in order to collect fees without the likely outcome being quite so clear?

  • June 23, 2018 at 2:04 pm
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    I was one of the unfortunate early investors in 18/8 with a multi unit development agreement. I recall a meeting with Brigitte Love and Scott Griffiths where they told me about the idea of mobile units, telling me that instead of developing another 18/8 location, I could build one of these new Griff’s trailers. This was in 2016. I was already bleeding money on my first salon with no chance of recovery in sight, and they were trying to talk me into something brand new that they haven’t even tried themselves yet. Heck, they could not even replicate profitability reliably on a model they have been working on for over a decade. Needless to say, I was not interested, but told them I may be if they could implement the concept themselves and actually be successful at it. It’s 2018 (two years later) and nobody has even opened a single Griff’s location or mobile unit – including Ultimate Franchises themselves. The pictures of the mobile trailers on the Griff’s website are badly stitched together photoshop! I can’t comprehend why anyone would want to invest in this.

  • June 23, 2018 at 4:53 pm
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    I was between jobs and 18|8’s agent convinced me this concept was a cash cow, so I invested. How wrong I was to listen. $700k later, I have no hope of recouping any of my investment and I am left with a worthless asset. Too bad, because I love my team and I enjoy interacting with clients. I continue to be under the brand, so I can attest to everything the writer of this article has stated. The FDD was so misleading, it hid the fact that 18|8 is essentially owned by Mana Concepts. They did this because Mana has been sued multiple times in the past (losing $219k in one case) and inclusion of this important fact would have meant Griffiths and Co. wouldn’t be able to grift anyone as easily.

    Investing with these criminals is by far the dumbest thing I have ever done. Stay away!!!

  • June 24, 2018 at 10:45 am
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    It is true what was stated in the article and comments left.

    The investment was totally misrepresented. This franchise model takes too much of your time for little to no return. It will prevent you from doing other things that can actually give you income. No one in their right mind would invest in 18|8 from the franchiser. It costs much more to build out and operate than the franchiser stated. If the true numbers were given no one would have invested in this franchise.

    With so many failures and re-branded salons, the results speak for themselves. After all how could all those people whose franchises failed be stupid; especially since the vast majority of them had great online reviews. The failure rate is just too high. Even the franchisees that are at break-even in monthly operating expenses (no one has recouped all the money they invested) or higher don’t make anything like what was promised in the FDD.

    The lies told by the franchiser have to be criminal in nature. FTC and state level district attorney’s need to get involved and prosecute these people. I am speaking out because I don’t want anyone else to suffer like 18|8 franchisees have. Investing in 18|8 is like taking a match and burning $500K and higher. Don’t do it.

    If you want to blow that kind of money go to Vegas; at least there you will have some fun and not be a drain on your time.

  • June 25, 2018 at 9:48 pm
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    This article could not be any more truthful!

    These thieves at 18|8 Corporate must be stopped!

    We cannot allow anyone else to invest in this disgusting, false, misrepresented lie of a “guarantee” to supplement future income!

    We are all business people that invested in 18|8, how can the majority of these salons close or rebrand? There is something very very wrong with the franchise owners!

    The California Attorney General, FTC, FBI must investigate these thieves!

    DO not invest with Ultimate Franchises, 18|8 Eighteen Eight, Griff’s Shave Bar or ANYTHING to do with Scott Griffiths, Ron Love, Brigitte Love Thewes, Loretta Griffiths and anyone else.

    Due Diligence is what this article is about.

  • June 29, 2018 at 10:48 am
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    Is Ron Love even still involved with Ultimate Franchises or Griff’s Ace Barbers & Shave Bar? I heard that he and Scott Griffiths had a falling out over all the legal actions against 18/8 and Mana Concepts. Griffiths did drive something that was potentially great into the ground at Ron’s expense.

  • July 7, 2018 at 3:05 pm
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    The comments above barely scratch the surface of how deeply misrepresented this concept was / is and how destructive Griffiths’ behaviors (and frankly those of his herd of toadies) are. Whether or not the Love family was complicit remains a matter for arbitrators and the courts to decide.

    I have a service business background and freely admit I was scammed. The concept is admirable, but the business model is built on misrepresentation and doesn’t have a chance of working. Many of those who pulled the plug have lost $700k+, and those who remain or have rebranded in an attempt to not incur further losses in the form of personal guarantees are unlikely to ever recover their initial losses, much less get close to market return on their money.

    Instead of trying to improve the shambles that’s left, team Griffiths pursues petty vendettas against the people who simply tried to climb out from the pit of despair, and actively uses threats to “keep” those who didn’t have the resources to escape.

    If the public information on Mana (and his / his toadies’ continued use of the now defunct Mana name on CA business licenses and registrations as late as 2017) is any indication, this isn’t isolated or accidental behavior. I just can’t understand how the State of CA lets these people get away with this sort of stuff!

  • July 9, 2018 at 5:23 pm
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    I evaluated 18/8 and Griff’s Ace Barbers & Shave Bar as a potential investor. I decided to pass after meeting Scott Griffiths. How do i say this nicely? He seemed like he was full of hot air. This article seems to confirm my gut reaction. Relieved after reading this that I didn’t go into business with him. I am sorry to everyone who did and suffered financial losses as a result.

  • July 10, 2018 at 4:14 pm
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    I agree with Duped Franchisee. Anyone looking to go into business with Scott Griffiths should search legal cases involving Mana Concepts. I guess a quick switch of legal entities allowed them to leave this critical information out of the 18/8 FDD. Seems like the same legal slight of hand is happening with Griff’s Ace Barbers to obscure the failures of Eighteen Eight.

  • July 10, 2018 at 10:44 pm
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    The Internet disclosed that “pyramid schemes — also referred to as franchise fraud or chain referral schemes — are marketing and investment frauds in which an individual is offered a distributorship or franchise to market a particular product/service. The real profit is earned, not by the sale of the product/service, but by the sale of new distributorships. Emphasis on selling franchises rather than the product/service eventually leads to a point where the supply of potential investors is exhausted and the pyramid collapses.”

    You better believe it, that is what we have here!!!! The entire concept is nothing more then a fraudulent scheme designed to fleece franchisees of their hard earned money. The masterminds behind the scheme include Scott Griffiths, Ron Love, Brigitte Love, and more (aka “scam artists”), Etc. The scheme involved hiring a seller/broker agency in Saint Gregory Group (”SG”) that represented false material facts and failed to provide adequate disclosures on behalf of 18|8 (“franchisor”) to the franchisees. Prospective franchisees were identified through a network of different brokers that maintained relationships with SG. At one point with over 90 franchisees in the system, the scam artists through SG raised over 10,000,000 from sales involving development agreements utilizing illegal high-pressure sales techniques. 18|8, the collective group of brokers and the SG group touted the franchisor with false guarantees through their respective monthly dog and pony shows. Additionally, SG provided franchisees with a FDD that was completely fabricated by the scam artists with false financials amongst other material relevant facts not disclosed to the educated sophisticated investor. SG owned by Lance Freeman was heavily compensated in acting as a finder for finding 18|8 franchisees through its use of a network of brokers in communicating material misrepresentations.

    Over $10,000,000 in capital raised coupled with the monthly franchisee/marketing fees collected by 18|8 all would eventually disappear with none of the capital put back into the business to help the franchisees succeed as initially promised. One has to ask, where has all the capital gone? As the rebrands and the closing in the above posts indicate, clearly not into the system but rather into their own respective greedy pockets. The scam artists have misappropriated the money to purchase million dollar homes, new cars, and boats, etc… You have to ask, what else?? How about taking the money offshore to destinations for purpose of asset protection from lawsuits. A well thought out fraud engineered with the help of savvy attorneys!!!!

    In short, the business model here had one initiative- raising capital utilizing a business concept that was not setup to succeed which was fraudulently misrepresented to the franchisee community. It should be noted that this is not their first rodeo in operating such a scheme. Prior lawsuits and judgments filed against these individuals disclosed similar fraudulent acts. However, conveniently these disclosures were not made in the FDD as many invested on not only false promises but with individuals that had a prior history of theft.

    Currently, 18|8 faces numerous lawsuits of which several are eventually settled where material facts are not disclosed due to gag orders. Given the ongoing lawsuits coupled with many failing 18|8 salons a bankruptcy filing is imminent in the near future. The scam artists are planning an exit strategy which will enable them to further the fraud under what appears at the moment to plan a move certain assets to Griffs Ace Barbers and Shave Bar which would enable these scam artists to continue the fraud once they file bankruptcy. So how do we stop and bring justice!!!!

    Not easy!!!! Moreover, given the lack of regulation in the industry providing justice is best done through the help of this website and other social media to bring awareness to these scam artists. More so, because the scam artists pressure franchisees leaving the franchise system to sign a non-disclosure agreement, confidentiality agreement or a gag order. The gag order has allowed continued franchise misrepresentation by preventing prospective new franchisees learning important details about the churning franchise.

    We can only hope justice is brought to all involved in what is nothing than FRAUD.

  • July 10, 2018 at 10:49 pm
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    The Internet disclosed that “pyramid schemes — also referred to as franchise fraud or chain referral schemes — are marketing and investment frauds in which an individual is offered a distributorship or franchise to market a particular product/service. The real profit is earned, not by the sale of the product/service, but by the sale of new distributorships. Emphasis on selling franchises rather than the product/service eventually leads to a point where the supply of potential investors is exhausted and the pyramid collapses.”

    You better believe it, that is what we have here!!!! The entire concept is nothing more then a Ponzi scheme designed to fleece franchisees of their hard earned money. The masterminds behind the scheme include Scott Griffiths, Ron Love, Brigitte Love, and more (aka “scam artists”), Etc. The scheme involved hiring a seller/broker agency in Saint Gregory Group (”SG”) that represented false material facts and failed to provide adequate disclosures on behalf of 18|8 (“franchisor”) to the franchisees. Prospective franchisees were identified through a network of different brokers that maintained relationships with SG. At one point with over 90 franchisees in the system, the scam artists through SG raised over 10,000,000 from sales involving development agreements utilizing illegal high-pressure sales techniques. 18|8, the collective group of brokers and the SG group touted the franchisor with false guarantees through their respective monthly dog and pony shows. Additionally, SG provided franchisees with a FDD that was completely fabricated by the scam artists with false financials amongst other material relevant facts not disclosed to the educated sophisticated investor. SG owned by Lance Freeman was heavily compensated in acting as a finder for finding 18|8 franchisees through its use of a network of brokers in communicating material misrepresentations.

    Over $10,000,000 in capital raised coupled with the monthly franchisee/marketing fees collected by 18|8 all would eventually disappear with none of the capital put back into the business to help the franchisees succeed as initially promised. One has to ask, where has all the capital gone? As the rebrands and the closing in the above posts indicate, clearly not into the system but rather into their own respective greedy pockets. The scam artists have misappropriated the money to purchase million dollar homes, new cars, and boats, etc… You have to ask, what else?? How about taking the money offshore to destinations for purpose of asset protection from lawsuits. A well thought out fraud engineered with the help of savvy attorneys!!!!

    In short, the business model here had one initiative- raising capital utilizing a business concept that was not setup to succeed which was fraudulently misrepresented to the franchisee community. It should be noted that this is not their first rodeo in operating such a scheme. Prior lawsuits and judgments filed against these individuals disclosed similar fraudulent acts. However, conveniently these disclosures were not made in the FDD as many invested on not only false promises but with individuals that had a prior history of theft.

    Currently, 18|8 faces numerous lawsuits of which several are eventually settled where material facts are not disclosed due to gag orders. Given the ongoing lawsuits coupled with many failing 18|8 salons a bankruptcy filing is imminent in the near future. The scam artists are planning an exit strategy which will enable them to further the fraud under what appears at the moment to plan a move certain assets to Griffs Ace Barbers and Shave Bar which would enable these scam artists to continue the fraud once they file bankruptcy. So how do we stop and bring justice!!!!

    Not easy!!!! Moreover, given the lack of regulation in the industry providing justice is best done through the help of this website and other social media to bring awareness to these scam artists. More so, because the scam artists pressure franchisees leaving the franchise system to sign a non-disclosure agreement, confidentiality agreement or a gag order. The gag order has allowed continued franchise misrepresentation by preventing prospective new franchisees learning important details about the churning franchise.

    We can only hope justice is brought to all involved in what is nothing than FRAUD.

    Keith

  • July 20, 2018 at 6:02 pm
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    It’s interesting that in the FDD, they only list the .eighteeneight emails for existing franchisees. I know that those emails are actively monitored by the franchisor. Seems like they are trying very hard to control information going to those in the sales pipeline. Hopefully they find this site and the truth.

  • July 23, 2018 at 4:34 pm
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    Commenters:

    Thanks for your participation in this important discussion.

    You don’t need to use your real name, but please just use one posting name/identity & your real email address (not publicly visible).

    I’ve changed a few screen names that were posted from the same IP address to keep from exaggerating the number of commenters.

    Once again, those who dispute or disagree with the post or the opinions stated here are invited to provide corrections, clarifications and rebuttals either here or via email to UnhappyFranchisee[at]gmail.com.

    The company and its principals have been invited to comment, but we have received no response.

  • July 26, 2018 at 3:49 pm
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    Scott and Loretta Griffiths (husband and wife) and Ron and Brigitte (Thewes) Love (father and daughter) have all actively participated in all of the above “allegations.” The Loves were not hoodwinked by Scott Griffiths. Ron was a co-founder of Mana Concepts, Inc. and went right along with Scott Griffiths when it came time to forming another entity. All four parties are also still involved with the current entity, and are equal opportunity assholes doing what they can to ruin current and former franchisees’ lives.

    It would not be surprising if one or more disgruntled franchisees with a chip on their shoulder goes POSTAL on one or all four of these grifters. If or when it happens it will be well deserved. All four should be sleeping with one eye open.

  • July 29, 2018 at 1:56 am
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    Griff’s Ace Bandages & Shave Bar is truly hilarious marketing by a truly incompetent marketer.

    You put the most famous name brand of bandages in the name of a barbershop/shave bar. I’m sure your dad would be proud, Griffiths. You knucklehead.

  • August 3, 2018 at 5:28 pm
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    Ezekiel 25:17. The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother’s keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you.” I been sayin’ that shit for years. And if you ever heard it, it meant your ass. I never really questioned what it meant. I thought it was just a cold-blooded thing to say to a motherfucker before you popped a cap in his ass.

  • August 9, 2018 at 10:13 am
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    It’s really heartbreaking to read some of these comments. Whether your a franchisee or building your business on your own our marketing strategies ( storefronttraffic.com ) may help you turn things around. Man, these stories are just terrible.

  • August 9, 2018 at 10:01 pm
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    Really heartbreaking that someone purchased a ten pack of Griff’s after the scam was already exposed. Hope he can find a way to recover some of that investment. This company doesn’t even have a valid FDD filed for 2018 after all the fraud cases, and they are still advertising to sell franchises.

    Seems like this is about to happen again
    http://www.dbo.ca.gov/ENF/pdf/2012/18-8_DR.pdf

  • August 13, 2018 at 4:25 pm
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    Former Franchisee here, I got scammed out of 150k and feel lucky. Yes the stories are true. Stay away. Far away.

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